Are you happy with today? I was, but then a moment of reflecting upon our acquisitions and non-acquisitions made me see the light. We lost Damien Brunner and Valtteri Filppula to free agency. We gained Stephen Weiss-not-VVeiss and Daniel Alfredsson. So what?
If we remove context, and someone says to me, seemingly out of the blue on any other day, that the Detroit Red Wings will lose Damien Brunner and Valtteri Filppula to gain Stephen Weiss and Daniel Alfredsson, I am just not so sure I’m excited. I mean, imagine if the two guys we gained played for the same team. Now imagine it were mid-season. Now imagine Kenny pulled the trigger and traded straight up. Do we celebrate? Are we happy? Crap, I don't know! But I'm kind of have an idea now....maybe.
I am a bit indifferent to today’s deals. Sure, we got big names. We got some upper echelon folks to replace those we lost. But is it really all that big of a deal? I say that Alfredsson, 57 years young, is an improvement over Filppula, not so much in any statistical category but in terms of consistency and leadership. I also say that Weiss is a great piece to add once you know Brunner is not going to work out for us. Brunner was amazing, really produced in the playoffs which was huge for me, after thinking he was a 1-hit wonder when he hit that horrible mid-season slide. But Weiss is more of a multi-dimensional player, and can deliver rather consistently.
So yeah, I say today is a win. But just barely, not nearly as much of a blockbuster day as the mainstream media is making it out. Just a modest improvement. Plus it cost Mr I some serious dough.
While Brunner showed signs of being a great player, He didn't seem to have the drive to get the puck. He often seemed to wait for it to be dished to him. That's not REDWINGS hockey. To wear the sweater you have to train and work to play a complete game. Over the REDWINGS history there has been a consistency of 2 way forwards, top scoring defensemen and a lunch pal mentality across all lines. Money doesn't buy that. It comes from respecting the game, the logo on your sweater and the heart of the players in your locker room. I think Alfie and Wiess both understand this. Let the kids go marinate in the league for awhile if they are worth it, they will be back. It will do Fil some good to hangout in TB with Stevie Y (Talk about Heart). Brunner needs to get some dirt under his nails. LETS GO REDWINGS!!!
Yesterday I thought this team moved lateral, not forward or backward. Today, after some more thought, I actually like these signings much more. After really looking at the numbers, you realize Weiss is actually a lot better than Fil, not just a little. Alfredsson's numbers have declined but not as much as you would expect from someone his age. Hell, the year before the lockout he scored 27 goals which is something we could expect him to strive for playing with Dats, Z, and now Weiss.
Not to sound like a PR machine for Holland who loves to use the following line but, getting Helm from back form injury is like another free agent signing as well. Couple that with our talented young forwards having a bigger role...well I can get on board with this team.
I just want to see one more forward come in , and no, I'm not talking about Dan Cleary. Someone like a Brendan Morrow. If we can get him, then damn, I kinda like this team...
I'm extremely disappointed about Brunner and I think the whole day has an Oates-for-Federko feel about it. Everybody is talking about sample size with Brunner, but he's already played in about as many big games as Weiss has. I think they overpaid for both guys.
I'm ok with it. And agree 100% about not seeing enough Brunner to be sure. But Brunner was another one of those something for nothing Wings deals like Leino or Dekeyser. No players picks, or draft spots given up for them. So yea. I'm good
The thing about Brunner is there hasn't been a big enough sample size to say that anyone is one hundred percent sure of what you are gonna get from him in an 82 plus game season, and for a team that needs to try and win now while Pav is still around you can't have a risk like that taking up the cap space he is gonna demand. so on that token I like the deals alot. alfie and Weiss are two proven leaders that will be hungry to win.
According to MLive, Brunner denied a 2-3 year contract. Filipula wasn't worth the money and he played awful this year. The only time Fil produces is when Z or Pav are on his line. Weiss and Alfredson will be good. The only loss I see is Brunner.
Brunner was offered a contract extension prior to noon today and the Brunner Camp decided to swim. Ken Holland & Company did just about everything they could within reason for Brunner. I am satisfied and excited to see who/what will be acquired through the inevitable trades that need to be made to get us cap friendly for the season. Call me crazy for being an optimist for once.. But, whatever. Go Wings.
@marti783 My big problem with everything is Tatar and Nyquist. They are Top 6 players. They had the best points-per-minute on the team during the regular season last year. As it stand now, they both are looking at being put in a grinding role on the 4th Line if they are lucky. More likely, they will be press box'd. Most likely, one will experience one of those fates and the other will be traded. Both are just too good to be sold off for a 2nd Rd. pick. Would I rather have one year of Bert than a career of Tatar? No, I'd rather Bert have gotten compliance bought out. Would I rather have one year of Alfie than a career of Tatar? Nope. Would I rather have Cleary for a few years than a career of Tatar? LOLOLOLOLOLOL. We have to let the kids play. I was enraged last year with them on the 3rd line, and now we are looking at cheap trades to clear roster space and/or the press box with no AHL options let? Wow...
@Jon Lobsinger Mid-season, people will be talking about Filpulla's amazing numbers. Why? Because he will end up playing with Stamkos. Will he be any better? No. Remember who Fil really is and what is going to get numerical credit for not doing lol
Why were you enraged to see them on the third line? Having a third line of Andersson, Tatar and Nyquist is like having another second line. How could it possibly be a bad thing to have nine top-six forwards? We've spent years without enough top six talent and now we're overflowing with talent again.
And make no mistake, that is the hired line, more or less. They won't be fourth line grinders because the Wings still have a bunch of fourth liners.
@ThroatShot @marti783 Step back from the ledge, my friend! I can't believe for a second that Holland would deal either one of those two guys to make room for Alfie or Cleary. He's all about drafting and developing. The guys who are in jeopardy of being traded, in my opinion and from what I've read, are guys like Miller, Eaves, Emmerton and Tootoo. Of course, we still have that last buyout as well. I totally agree with you about the roles that they will be given though. My biggest fear about Babcock is that he'll dump them on the fourth line where they won't shine. It's like using your Ferrari to haul your trailer, haha. I don't mind them being on the third line because I don't think they're ready for prime time, just yet. Being on the first and second line means going up against the other teams top 4 defensemen. I just want to see them on the third line together and I want them to play every damn game, unless they prove to not be worth a spot on the team. Actually, I wouldn't be opposed to Nyquist on the top line with Dats instead of Abby. Tatar, I'd take a wait and see approach.