Update: It's not offically offical yet, but it is pretty darn close. Holland says the sides haven't agreed yet, but per Craig Custance - Jimmy Howard on new deal: "It's really, really close."
Sounds like Detroit Red Wings and Jimmy Howard are on the verge of coming to terms on a 6 year deal paying in the range of 5.3 M per #TSN— Aaron Ward (@aaronward_nhl) April 11, 2013
So six years at $5.3M per year. I can deal with that. Jimmy is one step below an absolute elite goalie and this pays him as such. Take a look at these comparisons
Howard: .917 career, $5.3MM x 6. Rinne: .920, $7MM x 7. Price: .916, $6.5MM x 6. Quick: .914, $5.8MM x 10. Not bad by Wings.— 67Sound (@67sound) April 11, 2013
I think this makes sense in today's world. Plus, I think Howard is just that tiny step away from being an absolute elite goalie in the world. He can make that step in the next few years.
Two more things though about this signing, after the jump:
First is the term. Six years is a long time. He'll be 35 at the end of this contract. Hopefully he won't pull a Bryz and lose it.
Second is the remaining cap available. According to everyone, that leaves $12.3M to sign Brunner, Filppula, Smith, Nyquist, Kindl, Andersson, Cleary and Miller.
Obviously, that's not enough for everyone and I think that Cleary will be gone. I also think a buyout will be used for Sammy, which will save Detroit $2M next year. Here's my guesses on salary then, with absolutely no idea on term:
Smith - $2M
Nyquist - $1.5M
Kindl - $1.5M
Andersson - $750K
That would leave around $4M to sign Fil, which I think would be fair to both parties. I wouldn't want to pay any more, but I wouldn't want to see him leave either. Plus, that leaves $2M left over.
In all, this is good for Detroit. Howard keeps Detroit's goaltending solid for years to come and gives Petr a chance to become a legit star in Grand Rapids.
Howie's our boy.
Whoa, whoa whoa, Brunner gets his salary more than doubled on the basis of a really good less than 1/4 of a season followed by a disappearing act?
Smith gets his doubled for a pretty decent first season in which he played well but definitely showed some rookie mistakes?
Nyquist gets his salary nearly doubled for a pretty good 1/7 of a full season played mostly on the third line?
Kindl gets his salary nearly doubled for a good step forward of a 1/3 of a season?
And for a solid 1/3 of a season when he wasn't expected to even get a sniff of the NHL Joakim Andersson is given a pay cut?
Ill argue he is not the teams best player but yes valid point. I just believe signing goalies to long term deals is always risky
The problem w/ the Howard signing is that NO goalie is worth that kind of money anymore. Goaltending is commoditized at the NHL level and spending big money on a long term deal makes no sense.
Look at the top 20 goalie cap hits, how many are a) great goalies and b) play on great teams. Teams with expensive goalies can't spend money elsewhere where it has a bigger impact on the game.
Two years ago, who would have thought that Craig Anderson would be the best goalie in the league right now? BTW he's only making 3.2 Million.
This is a terrible signing, he's good, consistent, but not a top-10 goalie (almost every metric supports this) but because it will restrict the Wings from getting the high-end talent they need to get back to an elite level.
Seriously, what are the odds Howard will be playing at a 5+ Million level for the next 5 years? Would you rather have a guy off the scrap heap like Ray Emery at 1.15 Million? Those guys will always be there and the difference in production isn't going to justify the cost.
Also, if Mrazek is ready to go in 2 years and Howard starts struggling, what are they going to do? Have a 5 Million dollar backup? The game has changed and no goalie is worth a large cap hit long term.
Not debatable at all, Robby. Without Howard this team doesn't have 10 wins. Gotta pay your best player. -Twig
As the father of a newborn, I often find myself awake late at night, too tired to do anything productive but needing to stay awake. Recently, I saw a few episodes of “Bering Sea Gold” on Discovery Channel. In the show, dredges go into the Bering Sea, where divers take a hose down to the bottom to vacuum up gold.
One of the owners, Vern, noticed that he was running out of time in the season and wasn’t really getting any gold. His diver, Steve, wasn’t producing much. Filpulla (and Cleary, et al.) is our Steve at this point in the story. Vern told Steve that if he didn’t start producing gold, he would lose his job to a diver who would put gold in the box. When that didn’t really happen like he had hoped, Vern brought in a really good diver, who got a lot of gold. Vern and Steve had worked together for a while with a lot of experience together under their belts, so Vern didn’t really want to get rid of Steve- he wanted him to succeed. It’s a simple job really, so Steve had the ability. However, Steve didn’t produce gold, so Vern fired him and got someone good.
You know what happened when Steve finally got past his emotional attachment to Steve and made the right business decision to get rid of him and get someone who would produce? Well, he got about 11 ounces of gold in the entire summer mining season with Steve, but then got 42 ounces of gold in just the one week after he got rid of Steve and brought in someone who put up numbers.
That, right there, is what we need to do with Filpulla, et al.- tell them if their numbers don’t come up, they are gone. Then, we need to follow through. Is it possible, maybe even likely, that that player or players will do great wherever else they go? Absolutely, because that kind of a shock (getting fired) tends to wake people up in a way that nothing else can. Thus, there really is no better path for both the organization and the player than to issue an ultimatum and part ways if it doesn’t work out.
one other thing: if Howard is our guy for another 6 years, what about mrazek? are they going to play 41 each in a couple years with Howard making bank and mrazek not? and if that means mrazek probably won't be a wing much longer, then why oh frigging why was he untouchable at the trade deadline?
i'd be thrilled if Val left. we can sign someone else to have nice hair and turn the puck over on the power play. hell, make Kindl wear a wig. problem solved!
@garth I think we'd be paying for, what are widely well-regarded, prospects to stay in an organization that hasn't given them the chance to show if they live up to the hype or not by the time that has come for their entry-level contract to come up. Another challenge and downside of over-ripening...
@garth this is a very solid point.
there's no way to know how howard will play in 5 years. no point in even wondering. however, imagine our record right now if Howard was NOT on this team. he is our best player. you have to pay your best player.
@Twig Mrazek = the next Bernier (LAK) / Schneider (VAN). Guys too good to be a backup, too little experience to jump in as starter due to sitting under a great goalie, and too good for their team to take a deal for what they think the player is worth.
@Twig Thanks.If I'm Ken Holland I'm keeping two things in my mind at all time with these guys.
1) Everyone made about 60% of their "NHL salary" this year, so Brunner actually made around $1M (depending on whether he hit his bonuses) and Smith around $600K or so.
2) RFAs don't have a lot of bargaining power.
So I think Brunner is going to get a raise, for sure, but my goal would be $2M tops. He had a great start to his year, but we have no idea if his career is going to be more like the first half of the year or the second half of the year, or if it's going to be like the season, where he has long hot streaks followed by long cold streaks.
For me, Smith goes on the Ericsson plan. Ericsson's last contract was 550, 900 and 1.25 for a hit of $900. I wouldn't have it that extreme, but I shoot for three years with a cap hit of $1-1.2M, with him starting around $900k-1M and ending around $1.4-$1.5.
Nyquist and Andersson would be on the Helm/Franzen plan. 2-3 years with a cap hit around 8-900k. Let them prove what they can do in a couple full seasons before giving them anything big, and if they falter you can send them down with a limited cap hit remaining on the books.
Kindl's the wild card. I like Kindl a lot, but assuming they buy out Colaicovo, they already have six defensemen on the books. If they sign Kindl and trade Quincey, that's still six guys and you know they're looking for a top-four (at least) guy to add to that roster, so chances are Kindl and Lashoff probably share the #6 role, so how much do you pay for that? I actually think $1.5M is reasonable because it shows some faith that his improvement this year isn't a fluke, but it's tradeable if he doesn't work out.
That's my two cents...