What he said.
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Blue Jackets get: Brandon Dubinsky, Artem Anisimov, Tim Erixson and 1st round pick.
Rangers get: Rick Nash. (AND a 3rd round pick AND someone worse than Lebda)
We get: We get to move on. It's been an unfortunate summer so far because the best players for sale are either playing for division rivals or within the conference. If it was the East that was selling, we would be having a better July.
Seems to me the Rangers got a pretty good deal out of this. Dubinsky showed promise for a couple seasons, but his numbers dropped quite a bit last year. I think the offer Detroit made was better, but once again, no one wants to make deals with their rivals.
I'd be interested in seeing what we offered up for Nash, but I gotta admit, I'm glad we didn't get him.
The Griffins have the personnel to make this same trade. That would have been sweet to GRG with Nash there!
I think we have failed to recognize just how much hate we have produced around the league with 21 years of success. I have gathered from this offseason that roughly 60% of the NHL (all of the West, plus a few East teams) consider us their arch-rivals. That makes their players less excited about coming here, and really makes those teams less excited about dealing with us.
I just don't understand all the BS players were getting when we need defence so bad ...anybody listenning?
I wonder if we will now find out what Holland was offering for Nash. I still think it's dumb that Howson passed up a hell of deal (whatever that means), just because he didn't want to do the trade with Detroit. I get it, we're the BJ's biggest rival and in the division, but at the end of the day I care more about the type of players we would be receiving. If that means we have to do a trade with Chicago or St. Louis to get the right player, so be it.
What are we offering these guys, minimum wage?? No one has given us the time of day other than Suter, right? We had private meetings with him. I mean, Mike Ilitch has mega bucks. Did we even get aggressive with Weber and send an offer sheet? Or did he flat out give us the finger?? :(
I'll be curious to see how this shows that Ken Holland has lost whatever touch he may have ever had.
Holland has had to play the cards he's been dealt. Plenty of stars being shopped, but they all play for rivals. -Twig
We tried for Suter, put in an offer to Weber, talked to CBus for Nash, but haven't gotten a damn thing. We talked to Doan's agent, talked to Semin's agent; no idea on Ryan's agent.
I was thinking the exact same thing.. We have gotten NOTHING!!!! I know we tried for Suter, but man, this is awful.
@ThroatShot i don't think the players care as much, but it's a PR nightmare for GM's to trade to us. fans won't forgive them and fans pay the bills.
@Reddy Don't overrate them.
@FiveforFive Rangers still have 13mil in cap space. They shed salary in the Nash deal (barely). they are still very much in the Doan race. Good thing Rangers are my second favorite team, shaping up to be a good year.
@thebiglachovsky Are you for real? The worst thing a GM can do is trade a franchise player to a division rival, especially with the possibility that divisional playoffs will be reintroduced when the NHL gets back to realignment.
Analysts always judge trades based on which team got the best player and when you're dealing Nash, whoever gets him is going to be getting the best player, so you automatically lose that trade.
Besides, who was Detroit going to give to Columbus? If it's Filppula then there's a great chance he's gone in a year, and if it's Franzen, then you've got a guy who isn't as good a goal-scorer while playing on Pavel Datsyuk's wing as Nash is while playing with jack squat, PLUS you're giving your rival a world-class scorer to play with one of their two world-class centres.
Nevermind the PR nightmare of giving your best player to a rival that happens to be the team that swept your team the one time in franchise history that your team made the playoffs.
@garth It hasn't. Columbus said weeks ago they wouldn't trade him to Detroit. Engaging in reductio ad absurdum doesn't prove anything.
@Tnhgeno Jackets got screwed on this one, I don't know what Howson was thinking. Dubinsky is the only decent one there, and he's still meh. A huge pile of meh is still a pile of meh and not worth an ounce of awesome.
@Tnhgeno Yeah, sounds like not actually too bad. Granted the one guy was a prospect, so hard to tell on his future, but they traded two OK #2/3 centers, a defense prospect who is project to maybe be a 2nd pair guy, and an inevitably low 1st round pick.
@Twig @ThroatShot Yeah I actually think our success offers more clout in attracting top players, but I will agree it makes a lot of GMs hesitant on making the trade. That being said, I really feel the issue we've run into with attracting the big names as of recent is due to parity in the league. With the parity the league now has, there is a good chance of winning the cup with a wider variety of teams, so other things that didn't matter as much in the past (money, team location, local preference, etc.) are coming more into play. Look at the Suter/Parise escapade as a prime example.
@garth "The worst thing a GM can do is trade a franchise player to a division rival, especially with the possibility that divisional playoffs will be reintroduced when the NHL gets back to realignment."The Columbus Blue Jackets aren't going anywhere near the playoffs in the next two to three years.
I was merely stating my opinion that if I were a GM with a franchise player who didn't want to play for my team, I would trade that player to whatever team offered the best options. The only time I wouldn't do that is if my team is somewhat competitive in the division, which the Blue Jackets are definitely not. Would it be a PR disaster? Possibly, but this whole Nash fiasco has been a PR disaster and I would sell it to the fans that we're using Nash to rebuild and make the team more competitive in the future. I think if I was a fan of a team that finished 30th in the league last year, I would be more concerned with finishing higher than that, than who Nash goes to play for.
None of us know what Holland offered Howson, but I certainly wouldn't call the Rangers trade a "hell of a deal" for Columbus.
I agree I don't think I would trade to a big rival. I doubt we'll ever know who was offered, Holland wouldn't want players to know that they were considered as trade bait.
You make a fair point and if someone like Franzen was offered as part of a deal then most other GMs would see that opportunity, but Howson has clearly demonstrated his ineptitude in the past (and with this trade with NYR).
Oh, I didn't feel the need to bite your head off for voicing your opinion @thebiglachovsky.