Updated x3 at 5:40 PM:
Well isn't this something. Per TSN's Bob McKenzie:
Confirmed. TB trades Kyle Quincey for DET’s first round pick.This is only moments after he was traded to Tampa for Steve Downie. I'm a bit stunned right now and attempting to put my thoughts together.
Hit the jump for my early thoughts on this...
Quincey's cap hit is $3,250,000 this season and next (Edited - he's a RFA after this season. Thanks to reader Matt for this. I misread Capgeek.) That's a pretty big hit and it certainly appears to me that Mr. Ken Holland is looking at Quincey as a replacement for Stuart next season. He's put up some decent numbers, but nothing spectacular:
Second thing that comes to mind is the fact that that's damn near the same money as Ericsson and I'd praise Jesus if Big Rig put up those numbers. In addition, it seems that Detroit is sticking with the familiar, as usual.
Finally, I really don't know where he fits in now and I wouldn't be surprised if there is another move. A first round pick seems like a lot for someone who I just don't see a placement in the lineup now.
Per St. James: Little gem here: It was Yzerman who made this happen. COL didn't want what Det offered directly, so Yzerman (TB) got Quincey having pre-arranged what DET would give TB. Bear in mind, Wings 1st-round pick will be mid-20-to-30.
She later explained:
The Wings inquired about Quincey last week but weren't able to reach an agreement with Avs general manager Greg Sherman. To the rescue came Yzerman: He called Holland this morning and asked whether the Wings would give up their first-round pick for Quincey. It was more than the Wings wanted to pay, but in this seller's market, the price was better than involving any prospects.Also from St. James: Per Holland: Wings "are done on defense." Will keep eyes open & ears perked for a forward.
I'm glad to see that. Finally, Holland said:
"We like the addition of Quincey," general manager Ken Holland said. "He's a guy who can play 20 minutes a night, he can play right defense, left defense, he can play in all situations. He can man a point on the second power-play unit. We believe this makes us deeper for the playoffs, and he's not a rental."Interesting...finally some complete B.S. from John Buccigross:
Interesting comments on Quincey from those that know- "big problem in the room. Bad guy. Never liked him." Detroit must think they can deal.I seriously doubt that Holland would bring back someone with a bad attitude.
Huh? Kyle Quincey is worth a first? I mean, I know our best picks typically come later, but I'm a little confused.
How can you not see a place for him? You realize our 6th defense right now is Kindyl right? I think he's a legit top four defensemen. He's played on some crappy teams and put up some decent numbers. Just imagine him on a team like ours. His cap hit is a little high, especially since it's probably going to go up next season. I think it's a great move by Holland.
@marti783 I guess I meant to say that we don't really have a need at the moment on D. I'm happy with the D as it stood.
@marti783 Certainly better than most team's 5-6 guys...
@moorecha You're happy with Kindl, Ericsson or Commodore as our final pair on defense? You are crazy sir, crazy!
I would have a bad attitude if I had been drafted by the Wings, played with greatness, then dumped onto the Kings, and finally crapped out into the only place worse than Shitcago or Shittsburgh. I see Quincey playing on our 3rd pair and 2nd PP. Makes us that much deeper at D, but I won't be surprised to see Kindl or E moved. Kenny says he isn't a rental (i.e. will be coming back next season), and I can't see Smith not coming up next season in a full-time role. So to me, that means one of the aforementioned defensemen will be used as trade fodder for a forward.
@ThroatShot I agree one of those two are going to be SOL, but it's not the Wings style to give up on young players so easily. I'd be pretty surprised if they moved Kindl or E at the deadline.
I like Holland's style. Draft a kid, let him develop and mature at the NHL level on someone else's dime, and then bring him back when he can help us. Here's a first rounder for your trouble.
Not that it's saying much, but he lead all Avs D-men in pts and ice time, so not a bad pickup.
@DetCapC19 Ha! Not to mention the team that gets the first rounder for their trouble is none other than The Captains new team. Brilliant!!!! Stevie is definitely a Detroit mole. Wuhhahaha!
@DetCapC19 He goes from being a #1 D too a 3rd pair guy. That's the difference between playing for a bad organization and a Cup winner.
Incredible eh? I wonder how many teams in the league have a top pairing defenceman that would barely crack our top 6?
Evidently, Colorado is 1.
@DetCapC19 Buffalo, Carolina, Columbus, Calgary, Colorado, Dallas, Edmonton (I don't think they have a single one that would crack our lineup actually), Florida, Minnesota, Montreal, New Jersey, New York Islanders, Ottawa, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Washington, and Winnipeg each have one or more of their top pair defensemen that I don't think would crack either of our top two pairs. That's 18 teams by my count that only have 1-2 defensemen in their top pair that would make either of our top two pairs.
I am glad to see we got Quincey back. He was one of those guys who couldn't crack the Wings lineup but ran train everywhere else. Just shows how good the Wings farm system is. I don't see Quincey as a replacement for Stu-beef but he is decent third line guy that can log power play minutes. He did well in LA and CO so i expect some good things out of the more mature Quincey.
Ehhh...hmmm...ok. I'm a bit surprised, but I'm not against this either. If he goes in place of KIndl I'll be happy with it...probably. I'm not sure how I can write a more non committed comment. On the fence I shall sit, for now.
Its a good fit to bring him back. I think Kindl needs to marinate a bit more. He plays with a fake sense of confidence and tries to make big boy plays instead of keeping it simple. It usually blows up in his face and costs us momentum in key situations. Quincey knows what to do and has done well away from home. Welcome back.
I like Quincy. He was my Griffin way back when AND my Manufacturer Plates here in Illinois have "KQ" on them...so I'm good with this.
I understand why we let him go when we did and I understand why we bring him back now.
Not sure I quite understand this trade, unless, like you said, there is something else happening. So now we have:
Lidstrom - White
Kronwall - Stuart
Ericsson - Quincey
Kindl 7th and Commie a permanent scratch?
Socked when I read this. I just logged in to NHL and saw the notice of a Quincey trade and thought "oh cool, maybe he gets on a cup contending team, good for him". I was amazed when I saw the Red Wing's as his destination.
Anyone think we don't see Kindl or Commadore again this season?