Red Wings start slow and it costs them. I'll touch on the stuff that ticked us all off, but we can't deny that we could have won with a better first period.
More after the jump:
White got caught on the second goal and Kronwall got caught on the first goal plus many more times after that. He didn't stop pinching in either, so I don't know if that was a result of a forward not covering (as was the case with White) or if he was just having the worst night of the year.
Stuart played very passive early on which resulted in goals and scoring chances for Vancouver. That's unusual for him as he's our most physical defenseman.
Howard kept the Wings in the game in the second period when Vancouver kept getting chances.
I thought it was funny listening to the Vancouver fans taunt Howard whenever the Canucks had the puck in Detroit's zone. They are one of the only fan bases in the NHL who have no right to mock goalies. I'll admit I get tired of the "Luuuoooo" every time he makes a save. Luckily, come playoff time, we'll only have to hear that on about 70% of the shots he faces.
The third line has been playing great. They're getting pressure, hitting guys, creating chances and finishing. I'd say give them more minutes, but who do you take them from?
The Kronwalling: Looks like he left his feet. At full speed it was hard to tell, but slow motion showed he was an inch off the ice. Could have been called, but wasn't. Kesler doesn't like it, so he goes after Kronwall. Wings to the power play.
The Shorthanded Goal: Howard gets steam rolled by Hansen and has no chance to make a save on the rebound goal, but they count it. Why? I'm guessing a make up for Kronwall being an inch off the ice. Really bad decision by the officials. Still, it was probably for the best. Had that goal been waived off, Canuck fans would have burnt half the city to the ground.
Jim Howard is our enforcer. You don't always see the goalie in the other team's goal celebration throwing punches.
As mad as I am about that missed call, Detroit allowed the rush with lazy play. They also allowed the first three goals the same way. But, tomorrow is another day. Play a full 60 minutes against the Flames and we can go into the Christmas break on a winning note.
Next game is tomorrow against the Flames. Puck drops at 9:30 EST.
Also the uncalled for push on lidstrom is retarded... then a few shifts later I expected to lose it after getting an uncalled for snow shower from vancouver. I still say that if Vancouver wants to start the equivilent of the colorado rivalry then go ahead.... and they will be where colorado ended up for how long now.
Anyone else read that Kesler said "My only problem with the hit is he doesn't stand up for himself afterwards. If you're going to hit guys like that then drop the gloves." - so you admit you were hit cleanly yet you want to fight? Fighting after big clean hits is one of the main problems in the game today. F*ck you Kesler you jock itch pr*ck.
@Reddy I was never a Kesler fan until the whole Keslurking thing came about. That was funny & I started to like him a bit for having fun with it & being silly.
Now? I'm back to thinking he's kind of a douche. I hate the whole fucking GOTTA BE AN ASSHOLE & START SHIT attitude after clean hits & especially after a whistle. Oh, the after-the-whistle stuff just really infuriates me. Especially since the Wings pretty much NEVER do it.
They called the Edler goal good because their was contact from Zetterberg on Hansen. As much as I hate to say it, that was an unbelievable play by Hansen to feel the contact and have enough smarts to know he's good to plow Jimmy. These guys are GOOD, no two ways about it- I hate the idea that we have trouble hanging with the "big boys". We were blown out by SJ earlier this year, looked brutal early against the Nucks last night, and if we lose to the Hawks next week I'm going to lose it!
@tjmendiola I don't think we have issues "hanging with the bad boys" and I think this is evidenced by us beating Pittsburgh a week or so ago and ending Bostons 10 game winning streak. Plus we already beat Vancouver this year 2-0, which means we're 1-1 against them this season. I think Amerindian at WiiM summed it up perfectly with this: "The funny thing about measuring stick games is that someone always comes up short."Take away those two awful defensive break downs and the goal that was scored on Jimmy because he was incapacitated and we'd be talking about how the Wings squeaked out a win.
@thebiglachovsky Pitt was without Sid, Letang, and Michalek. SJ made us look stupid with by torching us 5-2,
and the VAN game we won 2-0 earlier this season they were without Kesler and Raymond. The Boston game was huge, and I thought a playoff caliber game. But like you said they had just won 10 games, and it still took us to overtime shootout to win.
I'm just sooooo sick of losing to these teams that before would use the Wings as a"measuring stick" now it always seems like the other way around. Anyone else agree?
@tjmendiola I'll give you the first Vancouver game, but Crosby not being in the line up is a non issue; Pittsburgh has had plenty of time to adopt their game play style to play without him and with his current condition, it's anyones guess when he'll be playing consistently again.
I don't entirely disagree with you, I think there is one piece missing from this team that keeps them playing as well as we know they can, especially against big name teams. I don't know if it's a certain player or what, but they don't dominate like they used to back when they won the cup in 2008. I think a part of it could be just how balance the league is. With the amount of parity currently in the league, they really have to give it a 100% every night to really compete.
@tjmendiola contact by hank does not matter. he did not push him. getting touched is not grounds for plowing into a goalie. besides, the NHL itself agrees it should have been no goal. http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/22/should-this-goal-have-counted-the-nhl-doesnt-think-so/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
@Twig the NHL doesn't think it should have been a goal? That makes me feel much more at peace with this issue. Thanks for sharing that, twig.
@ChrissyKraceva yeah, i feel the same way. i expected them to rally around the refs and make up some reason it was a good call, then throw that ruling out the window when it happened in the future. but they didn't. so that's something...
Vancouver did not play very sportsman like after that Wall hit... That hit is the hit that shannahan needs to be going around showing everyone that this is a good hit with no intention to harm. Filpula almost get decapitated by 3 players .... that was uncalled for at least on the 3rd one to try and hit him. Howard is a great enforcer and he knows how to fire everything up ... I kept wanting to strangle murph because he said that little tap Z made on the hads was enough to throw the guy off balance.... and the goal was good. If it were homer then the refs would be calling what I now refer to it as "the homer rule" or "the Thomas Homestrom rule" after seeing how vancouver couldnt handle the physical nature I said "you want to start a colorado rivalry... go ahead and you will see how that goes"
I was pissed off at the shorthander... The wings didnt play the way they should have however that goal was a BAD call and Jimmah was yelling and screaming at the refs. If it were bertuzzi then he wouldve gotten a 10 minute misconduct.
I want to see the wings out for revenge tonight hitting everything that moves.
I was at the game last night - Canuck fans are the dumbest fans in the league, but whatevs.
I think Howard went after Hansen not only for bowling him over intentionally, but if you watch Hansen after the goal, he shoves Lidstrom. Classless cunt.
I think that's what really set off Howard.
LOVED the hit on Kesler. Even funnier when he tried to pick a fight since he was so embarassed about getting crushed in front of your home fans on national television (at least it was national in Canada).
I was at the game when he gloved Crosby off Z, and that was enforcing. Lately he's just been defending himself. Obviously the guy is willing to stand up for himself, but should we really rely on him to do that? He's been playing like a beast and I don't think we'd want him injured over something wreckless like that. It is all fun and games until someone bowls him over and he's injured.
@freakazoid0587 that's kind of what i'm getting at. there are about 10 guys on that team who i'd rather see throwing punches. it was a power play, so none of them were on the ice, but at some point, stuart, ericsson, abby, miller... someone has to start swinging.
@Twig@freakazoid0587 I was thinking about this a lot last night myself. As much as I love seeing Datsyuk and Howard being physical, I really don't want our star goalie and our best forward taking any risks in getting injured. Didn't Abby take boxing lessons during the off season for this reason alone?
Good recap on this one, not much else to say other than the third line has been rolling hard these past few games and I love it. The Helm shot that led to the Miller tip in and the play preceding it was a thing of beauty. Also love the Kronwall hit (even if he did lift his feet a tad bit) and Howard's response to the weak goal they scored. I think this game could have some carry over in future Vancouver games which is great because it's been a long time since we've had a really great physical rivalry with a team.
i stopped watching after the first. it's hard enough to watch the wings play like garbage but when they play like garbage on the road AND i have to listen to larry murphy, my heart just couldn't take it.
Nice recap. You did well to stay away from letting the non-call overshadow the fact that the Wings did not have a crisp, controlled-looking shift where the passes were connecting until the "3rd" line's barrage that resulted in another Miller-Time tip in. I was actually surprised to see us leading the shot total after two periods. Nonetheless the non-call did suck out all the confidence Detroit gleaned from the late second period tally. I thought we controlled play in the 3rd, especially late, but we just never seemed to be able to get a solid look set up to slip one by LOOOOOOUUU who, while managing to avoid letting a weak one slip by, didn't have to make any spectacular saves. I'll give him the one on Helm, but it just seemed like the boys were having trouble setting it up in the offensive zone all night long. The no-call was complete BS. If I'm the ref I probably get Howard for roughing or what have you, but I match it with a goaltender interference minor for Hansen. That's the only call that makes sense there. I guess Kronwall's position at impact can be debated, but I'm with Ken Daniels, who said the replay shows his left skate still on the ice at impact, with his entire frame rising up a few inches immediate;y after contact. A great hit that Burrows, like so many other players in the new NHL do in response to a clean hit that sits them down, reacted poorly and shamefully to. As Mickey says, "You kids out there you gotta keep your head up on the ice!" Or something like that.
I say u take a minute away from each line giving our 3rd line 3 extra minutes, which they can make something out of lately. Might help wake up the other lines too not that pav or mule are asleep lol. Love howard tho I wouldn't trade him for anyone bad goals or not his enforcing decisions are great. Lgrw
This was a boring and disappointing game and I should have gone to sleep during the second. If that 4th goal had turned into the game winner, I'd have to break something, but it didn't so I'm just angry and the call. Hansen had no intention to make contact and Z pushed him? That's crap. Homer can get violently pushed into a goalie and only butt bump him and our goal will be recalled, but Z has some minor contact with Hansen and he goes sliding into Jimmy and entirely prevents him from blocking the shot on the rebound and it's not a call? I have a major issue with that. And so did Jimmy. And good for him for interrupting their celebration instead of uselessly whining about it to the ref.
But we need to control the rebounds that come off of Jimmy and stop being lazy on the road. End of story. They took advantage of our laziness and got 3 goals early on. It's not the ref's fault on this one.
@ChrissyKraceva Welcome to the NHL. I notice the lack of coverage on NHL.com of a wings game (yet again), as usually happens when the refs blow a massive, obvious call.
@Reddy I hate sounding like the conspiracy theory, "the NHL hates the Wings" fan, but sometimes it gets to me. They've just pissed off a large fan base, the least they could do is offer an explanation to the call, but I suppose that's a naive thought and they'll just continue to ignore it. Sigh.